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Stolen (http://www.frybrid.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2080) from the frybrid forums. This goes into effect after the new years, possibly thanks to rendering company lobbying... It means that in order to transport W/VO, you need to pay at least $175 a year, which really pushes the small guys looking for financial incentive out of the picture. Otoh, what I'm hoping happens is that people band together and form co-ops, split the cost and have one person pick up/distribute, or even acquire more diesel/W/VO vehicles so that a license makes sense financially. This may backfire, and result in co-ops taking over more rendering co turf, legally! I mean, if the private party is licensed and offers to take the waste oil for free, or even pay a few cents a gallon, compared to the co that wants to be paid, which will the owner decide to go with...
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Indeed, but ca needs to make up some of the money is loses in gas taxes somewhere. At least they are not making SVO/WVO illegal like the UK has done.

But it shouldn't. I mean, it's kinda like a road tax for EVs, they just haven't put anything up yet because there isn't enough use to warrant it. Other alternative fuel vehicles pay a scaled rate depending on size, so something like that could be implemented... I have yet to contact the DMV, but I don't see why the road tax for a sub 4,000lb LPG vehicle shouldn't be the same as a sub 4,000lb biodiesel vehicle. Can't say W/VO because it isn't an EPA approved fuel, but that's another pile o' stuff for another day... :(

I read thru most of the sited law, and couldn't tell if this law would affect people who were doing this for personal use, altho it sounded like alot of it was aimed at people who were for hire, or making a profit.

"19316. It is the purpose of this article to prevent the sale and
transfer of illegally obtained inedible kitchen grease.

because you could argue that any bio-fuel is inedible kitchen grease, along with pet food, makeup, any anything else that contains used oil, and there for illegle to transport, but once you obtane your waste oil, I would clame that it's a fuel, at least as long as you prosess it in some way first (filter it thru a sock and it's filtered oil) and last I checked it was perfectly leagle in all 50 states to produce up to 300 gallons every 3 months of your own fuel for personal use without paying taxes or any other fees.

So as I take it, this new law does not affect people who collect waste oil for personal use.

Typical of the government money-machine going out of its way to help big oil by making it more difficult to get off of it. I can't wait until we run out of the crap.

sorry i'm tired but what does W/Vo mean?

wvo-waste vegatable oil

svo-straight vo :)

I just use the slash to have one term for what people call waste and straight vegetable oil, since I don't see why it's not just called vegetable oil, and if it's used, waste vegetable oil.

Unjust laws shouldn't even be followed. I'd never pay the fee.

As for the tax issue, instead of hiking taxes to make up for lost revenue, cut it out of the profit margins of the contractors who make the roads. Taxes are already much higher than they need to be for the given amount of service we receive. The tax system is being used to line the pockets of shareholders moreso than for performing a specific function. Address this, and we wouldn't need more taxes.

"Inedible" is the critical word. Dip a finger in the used crud and lick it clean. Voila! exempt because it isn't inedible. Gross? Sure, but it beats paying a fine.

There's also just dumping it into a tank in the car connected to the fuel lines. It's not being transported if it's a fuel source, just drain it at home to filter/dewater. Or pay a flat fee and have an employee drop it off at the house if it's close enough, since they're exempt, and would be getting payed for something they used to pay for. It's not a significant obstacle, but very irritating... I've heard businesses are a bit pickier since they can get heat for giving it to an unlicensed transporter.

I couldn't find the leagle definition of "transport" in californa, but from reading thru the whole law, and from having read thru other laws on vehicles, I highly suspect that the law is targeted at people who are getting paid to haul used oil, and that if you are doing it for personal use, then you are exempt, just like you can have a friend in your car, but you can't offer rides in exchange for money unless you jump thru hoops.
I meen after all they state in the law that you have to have your "buissness name on the side of your transport vehicle" you are not doing this as a buissness.

At it again (http://www.frybrid.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8539). If we wanna run a diesel car that gets decent mileage offa WVO, welp, I guess we gotta pay for it. Course, this won't do crap to the rendering companies or heavy users. The ones who commute 100 miles per day in a diesel Fjord or chebby that gets 10mpg.

California is leading the way.
The intent is, ultimately to remove you from your private vehicle and into public transportation.
That doing the above is utterly impractical is irrelevant, the purpose is to control your movements while at the same time seperating you from as much of your money as possible.