Is it okay to buy a high mileage honda?? [ Archive] - GasSavers.org - Helping You Save at the Pump


PDA

View Full Version : Is it okay to buy a high mileage honda??


Compaq888
06-28-2006, 04:59 PM
I've been looking at 99-00 civic manuals and those with 125k+ miles cost about $6000. Those with anything below 90k miles are $11000. So I was thinking why not buy a civic with 125k miles?? What do you guys think??

krousdb
06-28-2006, 05:06 PM
I sold my 85 CRXHF in 1990 for a 286 computer and a 26" color tv. It had 275k miles on it and was still going strong. One clutch, three sets of tires, a few sets of rotors and a few thousand gallons of gas was all I put into it. But I was the original owner. I guess it matters how well it was treated.

Bunger
06-28-2006, 05:08 PM
Go for it! I've purchased 15+ Hondas by now, lots of them with over 200K. Watch for rust and check the tie rods ends and axles for wear, these can cost you hundreds to repair. Also, don't be afraid to remove the oil fill cap and check to see how stained the head is, a nice light colored head is a good indication of frequent oil changes. Also check that the transmission goes through the gears smoothly on upshifts and downshifts, cars that are driven hard will often grind into 3rd.

95metro
06-28-2006, 05:10 PM
125k miles is only 200k km and I've driven every vehicle I own well past that. My Metro is at 202k km now and I bought it with 193k km on it.

I took my Dodge Spirit to 400k km before I got rid of it. I generally don't see anything wrong with high-mileage cars if they've been maintained relatively well.

diamondlarry
06-28-2006, 05:12 PM
I don't know awhole lot about Honda's, but one thing I do know is that 125K on a Honda is like any lesser car just getting loosened up and broken in.

Jack
06-28-2006, 05:31 PM
I've been looking at 99-00 civic manuals and those with 125k+ miles cost about $6000. Those with anything below 90k miles are $11000. So I was thinking why not buy a civic with 125k miles?? What do you guys think??

My take would be: It all depends on who and how the 125k got on there. Some kid with a riced out car at 125k no. A guy with a kid or wife stock you bet. I know that those are generalizatons but that is just the way I feel.

Matt Timion
06-28-2006, 05:33 PM
I sold my 85 CRXHF in 1990 for a 286 computer

But the real question is this:

Did the 286 have a math co-processor? :P

Compaq888
06-28-2006, 05:38 PM
My take would be: It all depends on who and how the 125k got on there. Some kid with a riced out car at 125k no. A guy with a kid or wife stock you bet. I know that those are generalizatons but that is just the way I feel.

I feel the same way.

SVOboy
06-28-2006, 06:02 PM
11k for a 99-00 with 90k is a rip off. When I was looking at a new 05 civic it was 12k.

Anyway, I think you're ripping yourself off insisting on such a new one, especially since the 96 is identical besides the bront end bumper/hood/fenders/lights.

Hell, dan is selling a very very nice 41k del sol for 4k, :p

Just don't rush, is what I'm saying.

Gary Palmer
06-28-2006, 06:07 PM
Obviously you want to look at how it's been treated. Mechanically I bought a 1987 DX hatchback at 165,000 and mechanically I think it was just getting broken in. Never used any oil, got 40-45 mpg, ran great. It's issue was my daughter who drove it for 4 month's in Utah, came to Ca for the summer, left to go back to Utah, in late August, but never checked her oil or changed it. It finally lost it, in Mesquitte, Nevada. When I got their it had gotten low on oil, quit feeding the last bearing on the cam and the cam got so warm it torqued off.

I thought that was pretty good. Then when I got the engine out, the crankshaft was still Ok and so I just put new ring's, rod and main bearings and put a rebuilt head on. The car's at 225,000 and still going strong, still doesn't use any oil to speak of.

I think if you look in the oil fill and it's amber, like Bunger said, then you have a pretty good bet going. Fundamentally amazing reliability.

DaX
06-28-2006, 06:14 PM
If you're willing to work on it, absolutely.

Gary Palmer
06-28-2006, 06:25 PM
One other recomendation I would make would be to replace the water pump and timing belt, unless you can get pretty solid confirmation that they were done recently. Very inexpensive, high return insurance!

Matt Timion
06-28-2006, 09:37 PM
One other recomendation I would make would be to replace the water pump and timing belt, unless you can get pretty solid confirmation that they were done recently. Very inexpensive, high return insurance!

Excellent advice. I just replaced mine on the new engine so at least I know when it was replaced last.

thisisntjared
06-28-2006, 11:40 PM
my honda has 217k on the clock and runs like a champ taking abuse daily. granted i replaced the suspension and motor....

take the advice of what everyone else is saying. ensure a recent timing belt/water pump change and test the normal things: brakes, shocks, tranny, a/c for your area. you know the normal stuff. miles doesnt do much, its all about how it runs and the potential expenses you might recieve for maintenance.

krousdb
06-29-2006, 04:11 AM
But the real question is this:

Did the 286 have a math co-processor? :P

It was the 40 mHz DX. I think the DX had a coprocessor and the SX didn't or was it the other way around? OS was Windows 3.1.:p

Compaq888
06-29-2006, 05:24 AM
basically I'm either going to pick up a 99 or a 00 civic 5 speed manual dx. This month I'm overwhelmed with bills so I'm looking forward before Dec. of this year.

Matt Timion
06-29-2006, 11:38 AM
It was the 40 mHz DX. I think the DX had a coprocessor and the SX didn't or was it the other way around? OS was Windows 3.1.:p

You're right. The DX has a math co-processor. Our first computer was a 386 SX 33Mhz. I later bought a 386 SX 16Mhz for myself so that I could run my BBS on it.

Gary Palmer
06-29-2006, 12:07 PM
Compaq: I have a couple of thought's for you to consider.

If your planning on going to College, then unless you have a supplier, you are going to need to be extrordinarily fruggal. That being the case, instead of buying what you "want", why don't you buy something that will get the job done, as inexpensively as possible. You could get a 89-91 Honda, put $1000 into fixing critical things like brakes, water pumps and so forth and end up with a very practical, functional car to use while your going to school.

I have about $1500 into my 89 wagon, it get's pretty good mileage, it's dependable and functional.

You could do something like that and put the rest of your money in the bank, for your emergency repair fund and you'd have something you could drive until your finished with school and more gainfully employeed.

That would be a lot better use of your resources, in my perspective.

p.s. I had a 70 Ford Custom (really a cheapy Galaxy), I paid $200 for, drove for 2 year's and sold for $300. It was ugly, it had a severly bent rear axle, the passengers side was all dented-broadside, I used garden green spray paint on all of the rust spots, about every 2 month's, but it got me to where I needed to go, to work and to go to school. Oh, the front seat had a heavy foam cushion, so that I didn't sit on the floor, the radiator had a crack on one of the tanks, so I had to put in a can of Pepper about once a month, but it worked. Food for thought

Matt Timion
06-29-2006, 12:14 PM
If your planning on going to College, then unless you have a supplier, you are going to need to be extrordinarily fruggal. That being the case, instead of buying what you "want", why don't you buy something that will get the job done, as inexpensively as possible. You could get a 89-91 Honda, put $1000 into fixing critical things like brakes, water pumps and so forth and end up with a very practical, functional car to use while your going to school.

More excellent advice. When I was going to college I had a $300/mo car payment, $150/mo insurance, $865/mo rent, and only around 25mpg.

If I could do it over I would have gotten roommates, a cheap $600 car (Toyota, Honda, etc.) and not worked full time.

But then again Compaq only seems to want a brand new (or almost new) car. If you're really afraid of something breaking, consider that the cost of an older car plus repairs will still be cheaper than getting a car made in 2000.

Hell, you could buy an older civic and get a NEW (less than 60k) engine put in it for around $1000, if not less. If I lived closer I'd do it for you for less than that.

brick
06-29-2006, 02:00 PM
If you want cheap and reliable, look for an ancient Volvo! I prefer working on those because there's so much room around the engine you can just crawl in there with it. Safe as hell, too, considering that I'm talking about cars that were designed right about the time I was born. And in SoCal you could definitely find one without rust. The transmission of choice is a 4-speed manual that has an electrically operated overdrive (no kidding...you clutch and push a button to engage fifth) followed by the true 5-speed manual. Mine was a 85 740 wagon with the naturally aspirated four cylinder and the funky manual, and it was good for 28-30mpg on the highway in the hands of a moronic 17 year old. Come on, you know you want one ;)

Compaq888
06-29-2006, 04:41 PM
One of the reasons I sold my altima was because I wanted a newer car. If I wanted to keep fixing stuff i would of have been left with the altima.

Next, I NEVER made car payments, even on my altima. And I plan to do the same on the civic. I'm almost there with the money, I just need a couple more months and I'll have enough. On the altima my insurance was $98 a month, hopefully with the civic I hope it will be around there. I'll be upgrading to a better car that has a stick and that wastes less gas and is less problematic.

brick
06-29-2006, 05:01 PM
On the altima my insurance was $98 a month, hopefully with the civic I hope it will be around there.

That could be a big problem. Thanks to their popularity with the ricer crowd, rates on those things can be pretty steep. I think theft is the biggest driver.

Compaq888
06-29-2006, 05:36 PM
That could be a big problem. Thanks to their popularity with the ricer crowd, rates on those things can be pretty steep. I think theft is the biggest driver.

I'll talk to my insurance agent about lo jack and anything else that can lower my premium.

SVOboy
06-29-2006, 05:49 PM
Yay for sports cars that get 50mpg, :p

Compaq888
06-29-2006, 07:02 PM
Yay for sports cars that get 50mpg, :p

you're not making any sense:p

SVOboy
06-29-2006, 07:15 PM
My car is classified by my insurance company as a sports car.

Compaq888
06-29-2006, 07:39 PM
My car is classified by my insurance company as a sports car.

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!1111111111111111111!!!!!!!!one!!!!!!!!!

How much do you pay a month and do you have collision or just liability?

SVOboy
06-29-2006, 07:43 PM
I have no idea why you're laughing so hard, it was designed with that purpose in mind. Anyway, my total insurance is something like 2200 a year.

Compaq888
06-29-2006, 09:14 PM
I have no idea why you're laughing so hard, it was designed with that purpose in mind. Anyway, my total insurance is something like 2200 a year.

wow, that's $183 a month. I was only paying $1176 a year with the altima. Hopefully the civic won't be more than $125 a month for insurance.

SVOboy
06-29-2006, 09:21 PM
Well, when you are 17 and first get your license and live in one of the states with the highest insurance in the country and the least options for insurance then there's nothing you can do about it. It has very little to do with the car.

Compaq888
06-29-2006, 09:38 PM
Well, when you are 17 and first get your license and live in one of the states with the highest insurance in the country and the least options for insurance then there's nothing you can do about it. It has very little to do with the car.

I checked online and the civic's premium was only $20 more for 6 months than the altima. So I think it will be $110-125 a month when I buy one since everyone likes to steal stuff from them. I'm thinking of not putting tints, getting wheel locks, lo jack and alarm with ignition disable.

SVOboy
06-29-2006, 09:44 PM
No ones going to steal your steel rims, :p

Compaq888
06-29-2006, 09:47 PM
No ones going to steal your steel rims, :p

I'll still put wheel locks on them to show I mean business.

You wouldn't believe what my dad does to his accord.
He has alarm, key w/ chip inside, lo jack, and puts a club on the steering wheel. LOL

SVOboy
06-29-2006, 09:49 PM
Haha, they're prolly just laugh at you for being a fool, they need the rims on to dump the car and it's not like they're stealing dx brakes.

Get a boot if you're looking to scare people, but the crx guy with the boot had his stolen anyway.

SVOboy
06-29-2006, 09:56 PM
Anyway, you're best shot at not having it stolen is the fact that is has no desirable parts on it.

I leave my doors unlocked because at most inside the car someone could steal my $10 cd player and doors unlocked = windows/door not messed up, and if they're looking to steal the car doors unlocked = please pop my hood and see my 8 valve engine.

Compaq888
06-29-2006, 09:59 PM
Anyway, you're best shot at not having it stolen is the fact that is has no desirable parts on it.

I leave my doors unlocked because at most inside the car someone could steal my $10 cd player and doors unlocked = windows/door not messed up, and if they're looking to steal the car doors unlocked = please pop my hood and see my 8 valve engine.

LOL, you leave your doors unlocked how crazy is that.

SVOboy
06-29-2006, 10:00 PM
Why not?

diamondlarry
06-29-2006, 10:03 PM
LOL, you leave your doors unlocked how crazy is that.

SVOboy, you think a lot like my Grandpa. He always said they would just break things if they had to and it probably would even slow them down much by locking the doors.

SVOboy
06-29-2006, 10:06 PM
My gramma leaves her house and her car open. Heck, everyone around their does.

Anyway, I've picked up that attitude from a lot of CRX people on honda-tech. I've seen cars get stolen out of garages guarded by dogs, cars with boots stolen, cars with no wheels, 20 kill switches, murderously loud alarms, everything.

My best defense is having nothing worth stealing.

diamondlarry
06-29-2006, 10:13 PM
My gramma leaves her house and her car open. Heck, everyone around their does.

Anyway, I've picked up that attitude from a lot of CRX people on honda-tech. I've seen cars get stolen out of garages guarded by dogs, cars with boots stolen, cars with no wheels, 20 kill switches, murderously loud alarms, everything.

My best defense is having nothing worth stealing.

Same here; I never lock my doors. I even had a TV in my back seat for about 6 months one time. It was broken and I couldn't even get someone to steal it.:p I saw a good bumper sticker once. "This car is protected by poverty, nothing worth stealing."

diamondlarry
06-29-2006, 10:15 PM
I forgot to mention that the TV was in the back of my '67 Rambler American. Thieves probably felt sorry for me.:D

thisisntjared
06-29-2006, 10:34 PM
My best defense is having nothing worth stealing.there you go.

i would rather have a missing cd player than a broken window and a missing cd player

JanGeo
06-29-2006, 11:41 PM
A blonde tried to sell her old car. She was having a lot of problems selling it,
because the car had 250,000 miles on it. One day, she told her problem to a
brunette she worked with at a salon. The brunette told her, "There is a
possibility to make the car easier to sell, but it's not legal."

"That doesn't matter," replied the blonde, "if I only can sell the car."

"Okay," said the brunette. "Here is the address of a friend of mine. He owns a
car repair shop.Tell him I sent you and he will turn the counter in your car
back to 50,000 miles. Then it should not be a problem to sell your car anymore."

The following weekend, the blonde made the trip to the mechanic.
About one month after that, the brunette asked the blonde, "Did you sell your car?"

"No," replied the blonde, "why should I? It only has 50,000 miles on it."

Compaq888
06-30-2006, 12:10 AM
there you go.

i would rather have a missing cd player than a broken window and a missing cd player

I don't care about cd player. In fact I'll keep the stock one in the car. If it comes with a aftermarket one I'll trade someone for a stock one.

SVOboy
06-30-2006, 12:15 AM
You'd be lucky to find a car come stock with no tach but with a cd player, :p

Compaq888
06-30-2006, 12:24 AM
You'd be lucky to find a car come stock with no tach but with a cd player, :p

I really want a tach, I don't care about cd player.

SVOboy
06-30-2006, 12:31 AM
Your ears are a reasonable tach, :p

Compaq888
06-30-2006, 12:32 AM
Your ears are a reasonable tach, :p

my ears are only good till 6100rpm, the redline is 6800rpm:p

SVOboy
06-30-2006, 12:42 AM
You'll know when you hit the limiter, mishift, toss a rod, and crash.

Ryland
06-30-2006, 12:52 AM
I bought my 1992 civic vx with 204,000 miles on it and kind of wondered how bad of shape it was in, so I did a compression test on the engine and it was perfect, I figured if they used cheaped oil, or skiped oil changes, or drove really really hard, or anything else that would be bad for the car, then it would have low compression, but it was prefect so I bought the car, then I changed the timing belt and water pump.
after all, what are you most worried about being worn out? I say any adult driven honda with less then 250,000 miles on it is worth looking at, at 300,000 the suspention bushings are wearing out, the doo hinges are wearing out, and people have done some funky things to them.

thisisntjared
06-30-2006, 12:57 AM
I don't care about cd player. In fact I'll keep the stock one in the car. If it comes with a aftermarket one I'll trade someone for a stock one.i dont see how that effects what i said. factory cd players get stolen too.

SVOboy
06-30-2006, 01:00 AM
You should just take out the drivetrain/fuel system, torch the car, put it back together, and no one will look twice at it except to laugh.

krousdb
06-30-2006, 04:15 AM
Anyway, you're best shot at not having it stolen is the fact that is has no desirable parts on it.

I think your best shot of not having it stolen is to move out of California. Your insurance premiums will also be lower. Just don't move to NJ.:p

krousdb
06-30-2006, 04:20 AM
I forgot to mention that the TV was in the back of my '67 Rambler American. Thieves probably felt sorry for me.:D

Ahhh, that brings back good memories. My first car was a 68 Rambler American, baby blue, 199 cid, 3 on the tree.

diamondlarry
06-30-2006, 04:47 AM
Ahhh, that brings back good memories. My first car was a 68 Rambler American, baby blue, 199 cid, 3 on the tree.

Mine was green and had the Flash-O-Matic 3-speed automatic. The engine was so shot in it that when floored, I had to help push it up onto the trailer to get it home. Somebody had been driving it around so long with a broken push-rod that the broken off end was rounded again. I was only able to get it up to 40mph, on a flat road with a 1/2 mile open stretch. The only good thing about the car was that it had originally had been sold in CA and had only seen 1 or 2 years in IN. Can you imagine a '67 American WITHOUT rusted front fenders in the early '80's. :D

JanGeo
06-30-2006, 06:58 AM
Mine was a white 65 Rambler American Flat Head 6 with 3 on the tree and an SU Carburator - front fenders were great - it was the rear quarter panels that rusted out.

Matt Timion
06-30-2006, 11:47 AM
I think your best shot of not having it stolen is to move out of California. Your insurance premiums will also be lower. Just don't move to NJ.:p

Yes, and your rent/taxes/electrical bills will also be lower.

Oh, and from personal experience moving out of california has also increased my happiness levels as well.

zpiloto
06-30-2006, 01:14 PM
Yes, and your rent/taxes/electrical bills will also be lower.

Oh, and from personal experience moving out of california has also increased my happiness levels as well.
People moving out of CA has decreased my happiness level because they all moved into my town and drove the prices of homes up and turned the roads into parking lots:p:rolleyes:

philmcneal
06-30-2006, 03:59 PM
my friend bought a 86 lude that had 320 km on it, it was awesome until his steering disfuctioned and he rammed into a caravan.

the funny thing is the lude had a dent while the caravan was literraly smashed in, and it wasn't high speed collision at all, it was just a sharp corner and then the steering gave up....

so ya engine could have kept going, but other parts of a car must be visually inspected!