Fuel Line Magnet Test

[SVOboy]

Wow, the first test to be posted in a month. Anyway, I just got an old hard disk and I've ripped out the magnets. They've got some metal back plates on them which is good, but I need to dremel/machine some of it off. After I do that I'll wrap them up in electrical tape and throw them on someone's car and get the test going and see what happens. I'm really not sure if it'll work, but these magnets are damn strong, and I'm hoping that they do. I'll post pictures in a few of some before and along the making the magnets process, but I'll only have the before picture tonight.

[SVOboy]

http://www.filefarmer.com/cruisur/DSC02526.jpg

That's what the look like now. I'll get rid of the metal that is highlightened and then tape them up and prolly go on a two week old 2005 civic dx.

[Matt Timion]

I'm very interested in knowing if this works or not. Look soon for a section of the board devoded to experiments and a section to easily enter results in a spreadsheet format.

[TheSSG]

What's the theory to this experiment?

I've got eight Small Neo-dynamium Magnets sitting around...

[SVOboy]

Theory is that there's something about the gasoline than can be affected by running a strong magnetic field through it. I keep forgetting about trying this. Thanks for reminding me, I need to make a wishlist...

[n0rt0npr0]

--Comments to lead you to your own conclusions...
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem00/chem00019.htm

AND:

Devices Tested by EPA
The following list categorizes various types of "gas-saving" products, explains how they're used and gives product names. Those with asterisks may save measurable, but small, amounts of gas. All others have been found not to increase fuel economy.

Air Bleed Devices. These devices bleed air into the carburetor. They usually are installed in the Positive Crankcase Ventilation line or as a replacement for idle-mixture screws.

The EPA has evaluated the following products: ADAKS Vacuum Breaker Air Bleed; Air-Jet Air Bleed; Aquablast Wyman Valve Air Bleed; Auto-Miser; Ball-Matic Air Bleed; Berg Air Bleed; Brisko PCV; Cyclone-Z; Econo Needle Air Bleed; Econo-Jet Air Bleed Idle Screws; Fuel Max*; Gas Saving Device; Grancor Air Computer; Hot Tip; Landrum Mini-Carb; Landrum Retrofit Air Bleed; Mini Turbocharger Air Bleed; Monocar HC Control Air Bleed; Peterman Air Bleed; Pollution Master Air Bleed; Ram-Jet; Turbo-Dyne G.R. Valve.

Vapor Bleed Devices. These devices are similar to the air bleed devices, except that induced air is bubbled through a container of a water and anti-freeze mixture, usually located in the engine compartment.

The EPA has evaluated: Atomized Vapor Injector; Frantz Vapor Injection System; Hydro-Vac: POWERFUeL; Mark II Vapor Injection System; Platinum Gasaver; V-70 Vapor Injector; SCATPAC Vacuum Vapor Induction System: Econo-Mist Vacuum Vapor Injection System; Turbo Vapor Injection System.

Liquid Injection. These products add liquid into the fuel/air intake system and not directly into the combustion chamber.
The EPA has evaluated: Goodman Engine System-Model 1800; Waag-Injection System*.

Ignition Devices. These devices are attached to the ignition system or are used to replace original equipment or parts.
The EPA has evaluated: Autosaver; Baur Condenser; BIAP Electronic Ignition Unit; Fuel Economizer; Magna Flash Ignition Control System; Paser Magnum/Paser 500/Paser 500 HEI; Special Formula Ignition Advance Springs.

Fuel Line Devices (heaters or coolers). These devices heat the fuel before it enters the carburetor. Usually, the fuel is heated by the engine coolant or by the exhaust or electrical system.
The EPA has evaluated: FuelXpander; Gas Meiser I; Greer Fuel Preheater; Jacona Fuel System; Optimizer; Russell Fuelmiser.

Fuel Line Devices (magnets). These magnetic devices, clamped to the outside of the fuel line or installed in the fuel line, claim to change the molecular structure of gasoline.

The EPA has evaluated: PETRO-MIZER; POLARION-X; Super-Mag Fuel Extender; Wickliff Polarizer [fuel line magnet/intake air magnet].

Fuel Line Devices (metallic). Typically, these devices contain several dissimilar metals that are installed in the fuel line, supposedly causing ionization of the fuel.

The EPA has evaluated: Malpassi Filter King [fuel pressure regulator]; Moleculetor.

Mixture Enhancers (under the carburetor). These devices are mounted between the carburetor and intake manifold and supposedly enhance the mixing or vaporization of the air/fuel mixture.

The EPA has evaluated: Energy Gas Saver; Environmental Fuel Saver; Gas Saving and Emission Control Improvement Device; Glynn-50; Hydro-Catalyst Pre-Combustion Catalyst System; PETROMIZER SYSTEM; Sav-A-Mile; Spritzer; Turbo-Carb; Turbocarb.

Mixture Enhancers (others). These devices make some general modifications to the vehicle intake system.

The EPA has evaluated: Basko Enginecoat; Dresser Economizer; Electro-Dyne Superchoke; Filtron Urethane Foam Filter; Lamkin Fuel Metering Device; Smith Power and Deceleration Governor.

Internal Engine Modifications. These devices make physical or mechanical function changes to the engine.

The EPA has evaluated: ACDS Automotive Cylinder Deactivation System*; Dresser Economizer; MSU Cylinder Deactivation*.

Accessory Drive Modifiers. These devices reduce power to specific auto accessories.

The EPA has evaluated: Morse Constant Speed Accessory Drive **; P.A.S.S. Kit**; PASS Master Vehicle Air Conditioner**.

Fuels and Fuel Additives. These materials are added to the gas tank.

The EPA has evaluated: Bycosin; EI-5 Fuel Additive; Fuelon Power; Johnson Fuel Additive; NRG #1 Fuel Additive; QEI 400 Fuel Additive; Rolfite Upgrade Fuel Additive; Sta-Power Fuel Additive; Stargas Fuel Additive; SYNeRGy-1; Technol G Fuel Additive; ULX-15/ULX-15D; Vareb 10 Fuel Additive; XRG #1 Fuel Additive.

Oils and Oil Additives. Usually these materials are poured into the crankcase.

The EPA has evaluated: Analube Synthetic Lubricant; Tephguard.

Driving Habit Modifiers. These are lights or sound devices to tell the driver to reduce acceleration or to shift gears.

The EPA has evaluated: AUTOTHERM**; Fuel Conservation Device; Gastell; IDALERT**.

Miscellaneous. The EPA has evaluated: BRAKE-EZ; Dynamix; Fuel Maximiser; Gyroscopic Wheel Cover; Kamei Spoilers**; Kat's Engine Heater; Lee Exhaust and Fuel Gasification EGR; Mesco Moisture Extraction System; P.S.C.U. 01 Device; Treis Emulsifier.

* Indicated a very small improvement in fuel economy but with an increase in exhaust emissions. According to Federal regulations, installation of this device could be considered illegal tampering.

** Indicated a very small improvement in fuel economy without an increase in exhaust emissions. However, cost-effectiveness must be determined by the consumer for a particular application.


http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/autos/gasave.htm

[Matt Timion]

Thanks for posting this n0rt0npr0.

I've had several problems with many of these "fuel saving devices" in the past, namely because they do not work. When tested under controlled conditions nothing happens when these devices are installed.

On the flipside no one drives under "controlled conditions." I think the best way to test these devices is not in a laboratory, but in the real world. Keeping as many factors constant as possible yet still driving like a normal person.

I guess that is why this site exists.

Slowly but surely many of these devices will be tested and a wealth of information will exist to help future consumers when they want to increase their fuel economy.

Considering the relatively low cost of doing this experiment I can see it as one of the next things for me to do. I have a bunch of old hard drives that no longer work that I can take the magnet out of and try to see if there is a difference or not.

[SVOboy]

Threw some magnets on tonight, we shall see, I say!

[diamondlarry]

I guess I'm going to have to track down some GOOD magnets and give this a try. I don't think the ones on my fridge would have enogh power to make it worth the time ;-)

[SVOboy]

I switched the tape on mine cuz I used electrical tape again and it smelled like all hell again, so that made me think the IAT experiment smell was the damn tape, and lo and behold, threw the IAT resistor back in and now that's going again, woo.

[n0rt0npr0]

So your exhaust was smelling bad? Like what?

[SVOboy]

Haha, not my exhaust, my engine through the air vents. Smelled like melting plastic, which makes sense since that's what it was. :-)

[n0rt0npr0]

Gotcha.:D

[CruiseControl]

I've seen these magnets on the fuel lines of limos and town cars that are driven hundreds of miles a day. However, the logic behind them escapes me.
Is gasoline magnetic?
If the idea is to effect some change in the gas while it's passing through the magnetic field, shouldn't the magnetic field's strength change with the volume of gas being passed though it?
Using permanent magnets seems like a waste since they become weaker when heated(like under the hood hot) and stop when banged about, like when swinging about banging around between hoses.
Ideally the magnet should be an electro magnet with the voltage going to the core of wire wrapping varying directly with the speed of the fuel pump.
Also electro magnets are way stronger than permanent magnets, and as cheap as a spool of wire, and a few zip ties.

[HOTROD]

Alright you guys, I realize that I'm and old fart but I experimented with magnets and carbureted engines 25 years ago. I got fantistic results. I used a 1980 GMC 4X4. It had a 350CI with an auto trans. Obviously not a gas saver. I hooked up a 1 quart container to the fuel pump. I carefully measured the distance while trying to conserve fuel. I added 1 cow magnet and increased the distance by 6 blocks. Added 2 magnets and added more distance. With 3 magnets all faced the same direction I got an extra mile. I still don't know what effected the gasoline but it works.

[MetroMPG]

I'm doubtful, for too many reasons to list.

A good place to start:

http://fuelsaving.info/magnets.htm

[cfg83]

Hi HOTROD -

Alright you guys, I realize that I'm and old fart but I experimented with magnets and carbureted engines 25 years ago. I got fantistic results. I used a 1980 GMC 4X4. It had a 350CI with an auto trans. Obviously not a gas saver. I hooked up a 1 quart container to the fuel pump. I carefully measured the distance while trying to conserve fuel. I added 1 cow magnet and increased the distance by 6 blocks. Added 2 magnets and added more distance. With 3 magnets all faced the same direction I got an extra mile. I still don't know what effected the gasoline but it works.

Welcome to the site! A few years ago I went and got the cheapest fuel magnet I could buy (to mimimize my sucker exposure) for under $20. When I've used it, I haven't detected any difference in MPG :( , so it didn't work for me. One thing I was thinking was that the one I got didn't seem to be very strong. What I may do is make one based on a ton of smaller stackable Neodymium magnets. I would just keep stacking smaller ones around a thin metal tube leading into the fuel line. If they didn't work, then I would at least have a leftover "Bag O' Magnets" that I can use for other purposes.

I didn't know about cow magnets until you mentioned them. Were they the "big solid pill kind", maybe 4" long? How did you attach them?

CarloSW2

[onegammyleg]

I'm thinking the only way to notice the magnet is by sitting on it. :p

It escapes me how normally inteligent thinking people can be fooled into thinking that magnets can improve fuel economy.

Check the science behind it , it just doesn't work.

Liquids and gasses cannot be magnetized - period (unless its quicksilver , but then thats a molten metal).

People have been wanting some magical effect from magnets for hundreds of years , and if you research it back , you will find many claims and applications that magnets do this or that ,, and even improve your health.

Yes , even those people that wear magnetic undersoles in the shoes or wear special belts around various parts of their body have been duped.

If magnetism was beneficial for your health then I must be the most healthy person in the world as I get an MRI (magnetic resonance imaging) scan every 6 months.
During this I get exposed to more magnetic radiation than anyone could achieve with those medicine magnets.
But am, I healthy ,...NO !

It is all scams , It is all scams -- do your homework first before you buy anything., but best idea of all , forget magnets.

[onegammyleg]

Actually I've always wanted to fab up some sort of ACME Wile E. Coyote arm for the front of the car with a big magnet on the end of it, so I can sneak up behind a truck, extend the arm and glom on to it, then shut 'er down and relax!


Your too late , it was done in the '20's by Snub Pollard

http://www.corbismotion.com/Popups/ViewClipDetail.aspx?clipID=7fffcf41-0000-b0bf-2b02-162b772919ee

Or download the footage at:
http://www.corbismotion.com/video/C057/C057_2_5_1.mov

[ELF]

For me the best use of magnets is to put one in the pan on my auto tranny, also one on my oil filter. this keeps all the magnetic metal particles stuck in one place, instead of floating around where they can do damage.

[repete86]

So SVO, ever see any difference?

[lunarhighway]

magnets...cool...

the place where i work also sells and repairs computers so recently i got a couple of broken harddisks and took out the magnets... they're surprisingly strong for their size. i think i'll arrange them around my fuel line one of these days! i admit i have little confidence they will actually work... it all sound to good to be true... on the other hand my car still has a carb... no chips sensors and injectors... by wich i mean to say is that some old tricks might not work anymore on newer cars because they have systems that do the job even better.

i agree that it's very unlikely that any molecule or whatever orientation the magnet may very well cause in the fuel will remain outside it's field of influence... and even if it does how this could improve FE greatly,but reading ELF's comment i wonder if the magnet may actually filter something out of the fuel? (which would start to accumulate near the magnet in the fuel line clogging it over time....perhaps smaller diameter fuel lines are the solution :p )

anyway... one of these days i'll try this just for the fun of it...i'd hate to miss that 1% chance this thing will actually work.... afterall wikipedia says:
"Some well known materials that exhibit easily detectable magnetic properties are nickel, iron, some steels, and the mineral magnetite; however, all materials are influenced to greater or lesser degree by the presence of a magnetic field. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetism)" :D

[repete86]

Wow, Snub was ahead of his time! Bullet shape, lrr tires, skirts... the works!

Also, notice how he never turned the AC on and was EOCing the whole time. He was one hell of a hypermiler!

[onegammyleg]

Have you been hibernating or what? :p

No , not hibernating , just tired of the same stoopid sh.....stuff going round and round.
For example -


anyway... one of these days i'll try this just for the fun of it...i'd hate to miss that 1% chance this thing will actually work..

Nothing here goes forward because the busted theories don't get discarded .
And every time things like this are brought up again it lends credence to the idea., which makes this more of a place for fairy stories than anything else.,, and I just haven't got the time for that.

[VetteOwner]

For me the best use of magnets is to put one in the pan on my auto tranny, also one on my oil filter. this keeps all the magnetic metal particles stuck in one place, instead of floating around where they can do damage.

the auto tranny should already have in in there.
:D

[Silveredwings]

Wow, I can't believe this field is still in flux, and attracting polarized viewpoints.

[kps]

Oh, the irony. I'd give my right hand to monopolize this discussion.

[Bill in Houston]

Your right hand? That rules!

[kwtorbe]

Originally Posted by ELF
"For me the best use of magnets is to put one in the pan on my auto tranny, also one on my oil filter. this keeps all the magnetic metal particles stuck in one place, instead of floating around where they can do damage."

I agree with this guy ^. The rest of it sounds crazy....but those magnets to grab truck idea....hmmmm....I like that!

[VetteOwner]

lol th eonly way i see magnets doing anythign to the gas is well clogging it by collecting all the tiny metal fragments from the fuel tank/lines and causing a clog that when it gets big enough, break off and clogging the fuel filter or if you put them after the filter clogged injectors.... lol like someone else said theres nothing a magnet can do to fuel to "breakdown the fuel molecules" like i heard off some infomercial about them...

[ZugyNA]

http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=812249&page=1&f\part=all&vc=1&nt=1




"I have experimented with neodymnium magnets on the fuel lines in my Volkswagen Golf (which I no longer own).

I attached the magnets to the fuel lines close to the fuel distributor. This
helped the car tremendously. It ran smoother, idled smoother, became peppy and ran slightly more efficiently.

When I would take the magnets off the car, it would run like #@$%! again. It was
a 1987 model.

I think the reason the magnets helped was because the injectors were worn out,
and this magnetic field the fuel passed through assisted the injectors with
atomization.

These magnets have not worked in any other car I've tried them on except for a
1987 Ford Tuarus with 175k miles.

It's an easy experiment and doesn't require any additives to anything. Just
clamp a couple of strong magnets to the fuel line and see what happens.

You can go ahead and call me stupid now, but as usual, I know the magnets made a
difference because I was there and witnessed it."



http://www.uottawa.ca/publications/interscientia/inter.1/magnetic.html


http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=4386933


"When a fuel gas flows in the direction of a magnetic field of decreasing
strength, a combustion reaction is found to be activated. The relationship
between the direction of a fuel-gas flow and the steepest gradient of the
magnetic field was observed to determine how the reaction was promoted. This
magnetic effect has been explained by the movement of the reactants and reaction
products caused by gradient magnetic fields. The results suggest that a chemical
reaction involving a change in the magnetic susceptibilities of component
species can be controlled by application of a gradient magnetic field"


http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=1064018


"The effects of magnetic fields on the combustion velocities of gasoline and
alcohol with platinum catalysis were studied. The place of combustion reaction
of gasoline on platinum catalyst was exposed to d.c. magnetic fields with field
intensities from 0.1 T to 1.0 T. The combustion velocity was influenced by the
magnetic fields. The combustion velocity of gasoline decreased in 5 % - 10 % at
0.2 T and 0.6 T, and increased in 5 % - 10 % at 0.3 T, 0.5 T and 1.0 T. To
explain the undulant phenomenon in the curve of combustion velocity v.s.
magnetic field, various types of alcohol were burned with platinum catalysis
under magnetic fields. The magnetic field effect on the combustion velocity of
alcohol was observed to show a minimum at a specific magnetic field; -5.3 % at
0.9 T for methanol, -2.3 % at 0.6 T for ethanol, -16.9 % at 0.6 T for
n-propanol, and -73.8 % at 0.7 T for n-butanol."

[Freedom_man]

http://www.rmotc.doe.gov/Pdfs/95PT5.pdf

I found this when trying to find any scientific backing for the magnet fuel idea.

Magnets did not affect scale build up but did seem to reduce paraffin build up.

[ZugyNA]

I'm doubtful, for too many reasons to list.

A good place to start:

http://fuelsaving.info/magnets.htm


For the REAL SKINNY on fuel line magnets from a REAL SCIENTIST: :rolleyes:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/diy_magnet_use/

[ZugyNA]

http://www.rmotc.doe.gov/Pdfs/95PT5.pdf

I found this when trying to find any scientific backing for the magnet fuel idea.

Magnets did not affect scale build up but did seem to reduce paraffin build up.

The GREAT SCIENTIST at....

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/diy_magnet_use/

found about the same thing. Magnets affect hydrocarbons but not lime buildup in water lines.

[theclencher]

when fuel becomes a slurry with ferrous bits in it, i might take a look at magnets

[Dust]

I have read the the magnets affected hydrocarbons, but that once they passed through the magnetic field, they went back to normal. Maybe magnets on the fuel rail?

[VetteOwner]

then ur gonan screw up your injectors(pretty much liek an actuator, uses a coil to generate a magnetic field and pull the pin/bar and lets fuel flow into the cylynder)

magnets dont do crap to fuel! some of you should have been paying atention in highschool chemestry....

[dkjones96]

Gasoline isn't magnetic.

While with really strong magnets liquids are repelled by a dia-magnetic force; once the liquid passes, any changes that would have occurred(a supposed aligning of the molecules) will be destroyed because of how fast molecules in a liquid move. Then, take EFI where the fuel pump is constantly recirculating fuel back into the tank and such and you have nothing.