Big oil companies spared tax hikes - Gas Savers

Silveredwings · 06-21-2007, 11:56 AM

88HF · 06-24-2007, 08:21 AM

Someone got paid.

MnFocus · 06-24-2007, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 88HF

Someone got paid.

Yes unfortunate ...but freedom of speech hasn't kept people from talking about that article

MnFocus · 06-24-2007, 08:37 AM

and now the News! :

By H. JOSEF HEBERT, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 30 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Senate Republicans on Thursday blocked a $32 billion package of tax breaks for renewable energy that would have been financed mostly by new taxes on major oil companies.

Democrats came three votes short of overcoming a threatened GOP filibuster that was keeping the measure from being attached to a broader energy bill. Republican senators argued that the nearly $29 billion in additional taxes on major oil companies would have led to reduced production and higher gasoline prices.

Because of Republican opposition, Democrats needed 60 votes to allow the package to come up for a vote, but fell short, 57-36. With a number of senators not voting, Democrats could resurrect the measure later, though there was no immediate indication of that.

The tax proposal had some bipartisan support, but also attracted sharp criticism from many Republican senators who lined up against it.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said he intends to proceed with consideration of the energy legislation with or without the tax measures. "There are still good things in the bill," he told reporters before the floor vote.

The Senate later voted 61-32 to proceed further with the energy legislation.

Senators hoped later in the day to take up a proposal to increase automobile fuel economy, which has been the focus of intense closed-door discussions in an effort to fashion a compromise that would garner enough votes to overcome strong opposition from the auto industry.

The massive tax measure marked a sharp turn from longtime congressional support of the oil industry to promoting alternative energy development and moving toward energy sources that would help deal with the growing concerns over global warming.

But Republicans complained that it was too harsh on the oil industry and could lead to oil companies reducing investments in new oil refineries and production. They also said that it could lead to higher prices for consumers.

"When you put a tax on a business it gets passed on to consumers," argued Sen. John Kyl, R-Ariz. "Instead of reducing gasoline prices, this bill is going to add to the cost of gasoline."

Kyl had earlier sought to sidetrack the tax measure, but that effort failed.

The bill's supporters dismissed suggestions that the new taxes on an industry that has had record profits in recent years would cause either less oil production or lead to higher prices at the pump.

Oil companies earned $111 billion in profits last year and at that rate stand to earn $1 trillion over the 10 years covered by the tax package, said Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M., rejecting suggestions that "this is an undue burden" on oil companies.

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., whose Finance Committee crafted the tax package, said the incentives for renewable and alternative fuels "will help wean ourselves away from OPEC ... from these very high gas prices."

The tax changes would have channeled $11 billion over 10 years into development of renewable fuels such as ethanol, biodiesel and power from wind turbines. It provides an additional $18 billion in other tax breaks — from tax credits to clean and renewable energy bonds — to support improvements in energy efficiency, clean coal technology, development of gas-electric hybrid cars that could be plugged into the national power grid and other alternative energy programs.

Major oil companies would have paid most of the tab.

For example, the measure would have rescind a tax break given oil companies in 2004 which was primarily aimed at helping domestic manufacturing; increase taxes paid under an oil spill liability law; and eliminate existing tax credits involving foreign oil production.

Another measure also would have imposes a new excise tax on oil produced from the Gulf of Mexico to recoup $10.7 billion in royalties that the government has been unable to retrieve because of flawed oil leasing contracts issued in 1998-99.

Bill in Houston · 06-24-2007, 02:04 PM

We all know who pays taxes, right? Not the company, but the consumer... So I'm pretty much okay with not taxing oil companies more, because then I would just have to pay the tax when I buy gasoline or natural gas.

bowtieguy · 01-01-2009, 04:47 PM

can we not "step up" and do the right thing w/out raising taxes?

trollbait · 01-06-2009, 09:43 AM

Not when the right thing is going to cost money.

Oil is cheap right now, but it is only a matter of time before the price rises again. Better to make the investment now than scrambling at the last moment. There are also other reasons besides cost to get away from oil.

Biffmeistro · 01-06-2009, 11:48 AM

So we're currently facing one of the worst recessions in decades, and the government is still obsessed with taxing successful companies into oblivion, forcing them to cut back on workforce, or subcontracting or any number of economy boosting activities?

I heard they're planning a $175 environmental tax per head of cattle because of farts! How many people do farms employ across this nation?

Seriously... They're talking out their *** about how horrible the economy is, and other than bailouts, the only thing they're legislating is more ways to hinder the companies that drive this economy....

bowtieguy · 01-06-2009, 03:43 PM

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Not when the right thing is going to cost money.

the right thing i refer to would SAVE money. you know...cut pork barrels, earmarks, other "special" interests, change the tax system, and promote general accountability.

if these practices were used, i believe the tax burden could be LOWERED.

trollbait · 01-07-2009, 12:41 PM

I was thinking of supporting alternate energy and conservation to gain a cleaner environment and reduce foreign oil use.

Cut the earmarks makes a good rallying cry, but compared to the rest of the budget, earmarks are small potatoes. To make a noticable difference in a persons taxes you would probably have to cut military, social security, and/or medicare.

bowtieguy · 01-07-2009, 04:56 PM

the rub is that politics blocks every positive move towards improvement. and yes that includes alternative energy and conservation. voters need to make their reps accountable. ponder...

cutting congress in half(and cut local gov't as well), limiting terms, and, make everyone pay taxes. this would likely take care of most of the earmarks and pork, as well as many fat salaries and it would make available more needed revenue.

the problem is if we don't make tough(better) spending choices now, welfare type programs will be overwelmed such that taxes will be raised putting us well on our way to socialism. once there, it will NOT be reversible.

am i dreaming? perhaps, but let's ask ourselves something. why are corporations all over the US cutting salaries, positions, benefits, etc while our wonderful gov't is spending more is cutting less?

agent change hasn't even taken office and is rebuting on his promises. shocking!!!

i don't blame him, it is the monster we have created. i'm nobody and can see what needs to be done. ask someone that worked during in the carter admin how well higher taxes worked.

i guess what i'm saying is that you can't blame corporate greed when our politicians are either sleeping w/ them or taxing them into oblivion.

yours truly,
concerned citizen