Is it possible to chirp 3rd gear in my car???

[Compaq888]

I still suck at driving the clutch on the street but whenever I race the car I get compliments how good I shift. I can chirp 2nd gear. Is it possible to chirp 3rd gear if i get good enough or does it require a lot more hp???

the car is a 99 civic dx 5 speed

[onegammyleg]

My Fiat 128 used to fry the tyres all the way through 2nd gear and spin easily in the 3rd gear change at about 50mph.
This was with 195 high performance road tyres.

Of course when racing wheel spin at any time means slower times , so the fastest way is not to fry the tyres.

A couple of times I fried them up just to see how easy it was and it left 2 black lines for 50 feet , but is it the fastest way to win a race - No.

Is it the fastest way to ruin $400 worth of tyres , YES.

[onegammyleg]

Oh yes , thought ide just add thing , the car wasnt standard in many ways and was producing near double the orignal HP.

[jolt-tsp]

I don't think there are tires bad enough to chirp third on a stock DX. With an EX tranny and 30-50 more HP you might be able to

[SVOboy]

You should not be able to. Besides, if you're "racing" you'll not want to chirp you tires anyway, so I don't see the point.

[kickflipjr]

This dosen't seen fuel economy related, but if you want to do it lower your tires to 10psi and shift while going around a turn you should be able to chip without much troubble.

[SVOboy]

You could also try turning hard in the rain and shifting,

[tomauto]

back when i had the stock firestones on my civic, i could "chirp" too...there is no way you could do it stock in 3rd...With the tires i have on now...there is no way i could "chirp" in 2nd...more grip (not that i would want to) --horrible waste of fe...I haven't done that in...months.

[FormulaTwo]

my 330whp 1997 eclipse would roast tires all the way through third.
thanks to fwd and a fast spooling turbo.

Which is why the car was completely pointless and i no longer have it.

you can chirp any gear if you rev it high enough and dump the clutch.
TOp out 2nd, keep the gas pedal floored, push in the clutch, place car into 3rd, drop clutch. Chirp
Its really not that fantastic

Good luck

[Matt Timion]

uh...

I'll be honest here. Compaq has mentioned "chirping" to me a few times in instant message, and I have NO idea what it is.

[onegammyleg]

Hi FormulaTwo

Your exactly rite.
The abilty to chirp the tyres on the gearchange is completely pointless (I dont undertsand the hobby of drifting either) - it means nothing at all.

[tomauto]

well, matt, what he means is that when he is desires to put his car in open loop (i.e. flooring it) and shifts from 1 -> 2 ...and then gets the sensation of the tires squeaking (slipping....loss of grip) is apperently what he is looking for,

[Matt Timion]

Originally Posted by tomauto

well, matt, what he means is that when he is desires to put his car in open loop (i.e. flooring it) and shifts from 1 -> 2 ...and then gets the sensation of the tires squeaking (slipping....loss of grip) is apperently what he is looking for,

Ah... that's what chirping is.

So in other words, ruining tires is cool

[SVOboy]

I'm confused, I thought it was sloppy shifting and bad traction that was cool.

[psyshack]

I dont understand the need to chirp 3rd. But my Civic will do it. LMAO,, Or roast them right off thru 4th. Yes Ive done it.

As for drifting. We use to do it all the time on gravel roads. Our contest was to get on a straigtht gravel road. At the agreeded start line. A tree or something. You where to pitch the car of your choice and see how long you could go sideways down a straight road. We charged $5.00 a run in any group. Longist of that group took the pot. It was good fun! And them money was good if the group you ran in had 8 or 10 cars in it.

[BEN_EJ8]

Theres a good chance your car could possibly chirp while shifting to third. Your clutch has to be in excellent condition though. Back in my young(er) and stupid(er) days, I used to chirp second gear in my old Accord just to do it. After doing it a while it simply wouldnt happen anymore. Then when I bought my bone stock Integra, the first time I took it out for a spirited drive, I chirped 2nd and 3rd gear, but that was the only time I chirped third ever. Keep on being dumb like I was, and you will have to deal with bad synchros; this happened to my Integra after 2.5 years of thrashing it. I have made it a point not to abuse my current car, I havent reached 4000 rpms in probably about 1000 miles.

[red91sit]

Stick in a racing clutch, and you'll be albe to chirp every gear, a few times, then the tranny will go

[JanGeo]

And how much of your drive train do you want to break?

Ya needs a heavier flywheel and a really sticky clutch!

[onegammyleg]

Back in my dark ages , one of my (not so close firends) had a late 70's (mk2) Ford Escort with a stock 1600 pushrod engine.

It probably had 85HP , but he was intent on doing burnouts etc.
So he used the rev it to max and drop the clutch idea.
It did make some noise , but every few months he would make even more noise by tearing teeth off the differential or gearbox.

later , in partnership with a close friend of mine we were developing a turbocharged Cortina , which used a similar engine but was making about 150 to 200 hp.
This car had basicaly the same driveline as a Mk2 Escort but we had almost no trouble with gearboxes and diffs breaking off teeth.
The teeth wore heavily and they need replacement every 6 months due to wear , but not from breakage.

Finally we installed a 3 speed C3 auto in it which solved a lot of problems and a larger diff.

Yup , that was one sik car.
I remember one time when we were racing against a locally made GM car (holden monaro) that had a big block chevrolet engine in it.
The race started at 100mph and we blew it to the weeds., which is not what they were expecting.

All this back in the days before fuel injection when no one had thought 4 cylinders could be fast.


Anyway , the point is , that its quite easy to break a car from abuse even if you dont have much power.

[FormulaTwo]

Originally Posted by onegammyleg

Hi FormulaTwo

Your exactly rite.
The abilty to chirp the tyres on the gearchange is completely pointless (I dont undertsand the hobby of drifting either) - it means nothing at all.

Drifting, hmmm
Im not really "for" roasting my tires for a thrill. I do not exactly own a RWD car either.
BUT, Drifting is a good experience and is BLOWING up in the car "scene" here in NC.
It is a good way to get to know the car you are driving. If you ever do decide to race and the car gets sideways you will be more comfortable.
It also gives drivers lots of opportunities as stunt drivers in movies.

So really not a BAD thing, but not what im into either.
I have thought a lot lately about a RWD EV made for drifting. To bring more attention to EV's.
If someone could dominate the drifting events in an EV it would spark some inspiration.
But then again, i have never driven an electric car, so im not sure how it would work out.

[onegammyleg]

Hi FormulaTwo - ¨I have thought a lot lately about a RWD EV made for drifting. To bring more attention to EV's.¨

That sounds like an idea , but just like a turbocharged moped wouldnt get the masses excited I think most would look , see and then forget a drifting EV.

It is the wrong crowd to attract.

[rh77]

I had a stock '97 DX and no, you can't chirp in 3rd gear.

Besides, it sucks for FE!

Look into power-to-weight-to-traction ratios.

RH77

[onegammyleg]

Hi theclencher -¨What's the point?¨

Its just one of those young boy things , , like going out and doing burn outs in the rain., its the only time gutless cars can spin their tyres.

[Ted Hart]

Originally Posted by theclencher

I've never even tried to chirp the tires in 2nd or 3rd. What's the point?

The point of these little (mind) excercises is to 1) break axles, 2) make "vroom", "vroom" noises (along with chirping, squealing tires), 3) wobble out CV joints, 4) fry clutches, 5) put funny little "cup" spots on tires, 6) let the male hormones flow!

[red91sit]

it smells so darn good... I remember my first set of tires i did such a big smokey burn out that I had to roll down all the windows (2) and drive 1/2 a block before I could clearly see again. That was an impressive one. A little secret though, take an old windshield wiper sprayer, fill it with 50:50 bleach:water and have it spray onto the tires. Tire shine also does the same job if not better.

[onegammyleg]

Originally Posted by red91sit

it smells so darn good... I remember my first set of tires i did such a big smokey burn out that I had to roll down all the windows (2) and drive 1/2 a block before I could clearly see again. That was an impressive one. A little secret though, take an old windshield wiper sprayer, fill it with 50:50 bleach:water and have it spray onto the tires. Tire shine also does the same job if not better.

Why not make an engine that makes more power - thats what I used to do.

[red91sit]

Originally Posted by onegammyleg

Why not make an engine that makes more power - thats what I used to do.

Power is expensive, and so are tires, besides this car is more an FE cruiser than a racecar. She only gets about 1 hp. per 30 lbs of car, on a good day. Thats about double my motorcycle.

My other car makes over 1 hp. per 10 lbs of car.

Thats new Porshe and Corvette territory. I only use this much horsepower once in a great while, because one acceleration run noticeabley drops the fuel gauge

[red91sit]

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[Spule 4]

A Citroen GS with 1015cc motor will do 1-2, not that I know from experience....and it will kill the clutch in short order....not that I know from experience....