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02-02-2006, 11:16 PM
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I should be WORKING now
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coming sooner than you think: the toyota camry PHEV
<img src="http://www.latimes.com/media/thumbnails/photo/2006-01/21716383.jpg" align="right">
i just finished reading the first review of the 07 camry hybrid.
and then it dawned on me: the release of this car in hybrid form means it's now just a matter of time (less than you might think) before america's most popular, conventional, main stream car will be available as a plug-in version that can drive 30-50 city miles in electric-only mode.
EDrive begins selling its prius phev system this spring. their site says systems are being planned for other hybrid models as well. you can be certain they'll be clamouring to do a camry version asap.
it won't be cheap - but it will be very, very cool. and it's just the start.
it's another piece of evidence - in my opinion a hugely symbolic one - of the turning point i think we're at in where cars are headed. with a camry phev, "alternative" suddenly finds itself smack in the middle of "normal". |
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02-04-2006, 04:26 PM
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*shrug*
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That's pretty fly, but I'm
That's pretty fly, but I'm assuming it's Toyota's jab at Honda and the fact that they can stay away from the spaceship criticizsm with their civic hybrid.
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02-24-2006, 05:43 PM
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$10-12k for this system is
$10-12k for this system is too much. I think they should charge 2k at most. I'd rather wait for toyota to come out with the 3rd gen prius. Rumors are it will be faster, cheaper and will save more gas.
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02-24-2006, 05:50 PM
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Driving on E
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Re: $10-12k for this system is
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$10-12k for this system is too much. I think they should charge 2k at most. I'd rather wait for toyota to come out with the 3rd gen prius. Rumors are it will be faster, cheaper and will save more gas.
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$2k for a new car? Are you high? |
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02-24-2006, 05:59 PM
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*shrug*
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I think he means 2k more
I think he means 2k more than the non-hybrid version, johnboy.
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02-24-2006, 09:37 PM
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Let me clarify. I think
Let me clarify. I think Edrive company should charge a max of 2k to do what they do to hybrids to improve their fuel economy.
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02-24-2006, 09:52 PM
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*shrug*
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Ahhhh. I think 10k is fair
Ahhhh. I think 10k is fair to be able to drive a prius or something for 60 miles on just a charge. I'd almost never use gasonline and I'd have a/c and comforts and ****.  |
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02-24-2006, 10:40 PM
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I should be WORKING now
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if you're really interested
if you're really interested in electric commuting, $9k - $12k is competitive with building a good quality dedicated EV conversion that will have a similar range (30-50 miles at city speeds). it doesn't seem too crazy when you look at it that way.
but i suspect the majority will look at it the way you have. most people don't know what an EV costs, so they judge the numbers based on ???
btw, a toronto company is in the game with a $9k prius power pack. i think it's $US, but not sure.
http://hymotion.com/
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02-25-2006, 12:16 AM
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good, more
good, more competition=better prices.
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02-25-2006, 12:32 AM
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Driving on E
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I personally really like the
I personally really like the PHEV concept. not only does it serve as an EV for "in-town" driving, but if you ever run out of juice it just switches on the gas motor. It's the perfect solution for just about everyone, at least until battery technology gets better...
or until they can finally manufacture that dylithium crystal engine.
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02-25-2006, 05:16 AM
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Quote:or until they can
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or until they can finally manufacture that dylithium crystal engine.
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That's what I m waiting for! When Stephen Hawking made his guest appearance on Star Trek, he was taken on a tour of the sets. When they came to the set of the warp drive, it was said that he smiled and said, "I'm working on that." Warp factor 9, engage! 
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02-25-2006, 05:49 AM
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Flying Under the Radar
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Re: I personally really like the
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or until they can finally manufacture that dylithium crystal engine.
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I use dylithium crystals to power my flux capacitor. I don't know if it works however because I don't want to waste the fuel to get up to 88 MPH. But I might possibly try it after I install my invisible aluminum tonneau cover. I have just been waiting for the whale tank to show up on ebay. Nothing yet. :-(
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02-25-2006, 09:55 AM
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*shrug*
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Quote:if you're really
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if you're really interested in electric commuting, $9k - $12k is competitive with building a good quality dedicated EV conversion that will have a similar range (30-50 miles at city speeds). it doesn't seem too crazy when you look at it that way.
but i suspect the majority will look at it the way you have. most people don't know what an EV costs, so they judge the numbers based on ???
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Yeah, I totally agree. I wouldn't go the prius route but how many people are gonna buy a prius, get attached to this, then hear about all electric, and be like ****, I just bought a prius, then be like, but wait, let's do this pack thing.
Custom EVs are really tough except for DIYers (still really tough but we're willing) and shops that specialized in it (do they exist?). |
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02-25-2006, 10:10 AM
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I should be WORKING now
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Re: I personally really like the
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I have just been waiting for the whale tank to show up on ebay. Nothing yet. :-(
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4615915479
just kidding!
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02-25-2006, 10:23 AM
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I should be WORKING now
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Re: Quote:if you're really
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Custom EVs ... shops that specialized in it (do they exist?)
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they exist. everything from: you bring in your car and they convert it to your specs ($$$); to purpose-built EVs designed and built from scratch ($$$$$$).
you can even get the british ariel atom in the US as an EV version: http://wrightspeed.com/ |
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11-11-2007, 10:18 PM
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What type of batteries are used in these shops? Its interesting the EDrive system uses Nimh, Chevron owns the patents for at least the process to make larger Nimh... Below is a Toyota RAV4 EV owner's youtube channel. I just noticed my IRobot Scooba has a Nimh pack.
This is about EDrive:
http://www.edrivesystems.com/faq.html
http://www.edrivesystems.com/technology.html
http://www.edrivesystems.com/
Youtube channel from Toyota Rav4 EV owner in California:
http://youtube.com/liveoilfree
"Toyota only sold about 300+ Rav4EVs. GM/Chevron sued Toyota, so Toyota had to stop making and selling them. GM/Chevron got about 30 mil from Toyota."
"The breakthrough came in 1982, when Ovshinsky, the self-made alchemist, invented small, powerful batteries made from alloys called nickel metal hydrides. American manufacturers were indifferent, but Japanese electronics giants embraced the technology. Last year 780 million NiMH batteries were made for computers, cell phones and other gadgets, most through licenses on Ovshinsky's patents. In 1988 the PBS science program Nova aired a documentary on Ovshinsky titled Japan's American Genius."
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