LRR tires

[siray13]

Looking for a set of LRR tires for my vx, what are my options? I have ONE 13" michelin proxima RR from the EV1's that i found on ebay a few months ago, chances are prety slim that I will find another.

[Nrggeek]

I bought a set of VX rims a month ago from user XFi. You can read the thread:
http://www.gassavers.org/showthread....ight=VX+wheels

The tires on them are LRR Kumho 795s. 155/80/R13 matches my stock Civic tire height almost perfectly.

Can't comment on them yet. I'll drive on them in a few weeks when Spring finally arrives for good in upstate NY.

You might also look at this archived thread:
http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0oGkmIP5N...es/t-2662.html

(or just Google "LRR VX")

Regards,
Bill

[bowtieguy]

my next tires(LRR) will be Somitomo HTR200. they are rated very well along with more expensive Goodrich and Michelin. in fact,they are rated better than most of the tires that are priced higher!

tirerack has them.

[siray13]

what about the bridgestone potenza re92? it's a 165/65-13 it's the same kinda that is on the 14" insight. Any success or complaints about this tire?

[bowtieguy]

Originally Posted by siray13

what about the bridgestone potenza re92? it's a 165/65-13 it's the same kinda that is on the 14" insight. Any success or complaints about this tire?

according to tire testing on tirerack, bridgestone tires do not score very well in general.

[samandw]

I've heard bad things about the RE92, but only that tire. I've driven on a set of Bridgestone Eager tires and loved the traction on all surfaces (wet/dry/light snow). The RE960AS is one of the best rated tires on tire-rack.
I wouldn't judge brigestone by one poorly rated tire model.

For RR test info check this link out:
http://greenseal.org/resources/repor...resistance.pdf

[bowtieguy]

Originally Posted by samandw

I've heard bad things about the RE92, but only that tire. I've driven on a set of Bridgestone Eager tires and loved the traction on all surfaces (wet/dry/light snow). The RE960AS is one of the best rated tires on tire-rack.
I wouldn't judge brigestone by one poorly rated tire model.

For RR test info check this link out:
http://greenseal.org/resources/repor...resistance.pdf

my observation was based on econo car tires in general which is peritinent to this thread. 3 tires made by bridgestone are offered for my application (175 or 185/65/14). NONE rated particularly well.

certainly not ALL of their tires rate this way. some of their larger, performance tires do rate very well.

one other observation...
it seems for the price, better deals can be had for almost any application over what bridgestone charges.

[s2man]

I've been pleased with my General Ameri G4S, made by Continental Tires. They had the second lowest CRR in this report, in the 2002 data. It also contains 2005 data. I contacted Continental and verified it's the same tire, they just changed the brand name to General.

[RoadWarrior]

Thanks for that link s2man...

Wow! holy freakin' confusing batman! There's some offroad tires with lower RR than touring radials. There's some manufacturers where the 70 profile does better than the 65, then there's some where the 65 does better than the 70 or 75. Looks like a crapshoot, you might hear that a particular tire has a LRR but in the tire size you need, something different might do better!

[Pete]

I have RE 92's fitted to my car as standard equipment.
205/65-15.
To sum up:

Noisy. Much more so than the Michelins on my previous Commodore. On a coarse mix surface they drown out the CD. Reasonably quiet on a smooth surface which is hardly a compliment.

Hard. Bridge joiners and freeway cats eyes are to be avoided if possible. Pressures are as per the tyre plate at 250.

70 000 on the car and virtually worn out. The previous Michelins lasted well past 100 000.

Handling is OK but not brilliant. NOT confidence inspiring by any means.

Others may find they are different on other cars but that is my experience.

Pete.

[lovemysan]

I'm running michelin harmonys 185/65/15. There very quiet, they handle decent, wet traction is awesome, they served very well in snow and ice. There kinda pricey though. I will buy them again. I've tried lots of different tires that were cheaper on different vehicles in the past. It became very evident while driving on these tires that they are far better tire than anything I've ever used in an all-season tire. My brother drove the car in a rain storm, he called me on the way and commented how sure footed the car is in the wet. There so good I didn't realize that this car DOESN'T have ABS until 2 months ago. I've driven it 40,000 miles!

[1993CivicVX]

Originally Posted by RoadWarrior

Thanks for that link s2man...

Wow! holy freakin' confusing batman! There's some offroad tires with lower RR than touring radials. There's some manufacturers where the 70 profile does better than the 65, then there's some where the 65 does better than the 70 or 75. Looks like a crapshoot, you might hear that a particular tire has a LRR but in the tire size you need, something different might do better!

I went into a local tire shop the other day to get my tire patched since it's leaking. I told him about riding at high pressure (lately 60PSI) which of course his business partner poopoo'ed (he wasn't in support of high pressure, but he didn't make me feel like a dingo for it) but he did say that it's a myth in the tire industry that there is such a thing as LRR! He said that all tires have about the same rolling resistance and it's just marketing, no tires provide an appreciable difference "if you were to save $10 in one year, you'd be lucky" and would not make as much difference as 1mpg over "non-LRR" tires. Didn't know what to make of that. He *did* acknowledge there will be a difference going from knobby truck tires to normal tires, but once in the realm of normal tires he said there is no appreciable difference.

[Hateful]

Since the average driver doesn't take full advantage of momentum(gunning it until they stomp on the brakes) the average driver may not see nearly as much difference as you might.

[4bfox]

I'm running Vredestein QuatracII tires on my VX, absolutely love them! Great on snow, ice and water. I keep mine around 52 psi,seem to have much lower RR than my old tires. Cost me $44.28 each for 155/80R13 tires.

[RoadWarrior]

Originally Posted by 1993CivicVX

I went into a local tire shop the other day to get my tire patched since it's leaking. I told him about riding at high pressure (lately 60PSI) which of course his business partner poopoo'ed (he wasn't in support of high pressure, but he didn't make me feel like a dingo for it) but he did say that it's a myth in the tire industry that there is such a thing as LRR! He said that all tires have about the same rolling resistance and it's just marketing, no tires provide an appreciable difference "if you were to save $10 in one year, you'd be lucky" and would not make as much difference as 1mpg over "non-LRR" tires. Didn't know what to make of that. He *did* acknowledge there will be a difference going from knobby truck tires to normal tires, but once in the realm of normal tires he said there is no appreciable difference.

Actually, between the higher RR tires in that table and the LRR I think there would be a 1-2% difference at 60mph, which might be 1mpg in a 50mpg car. So I'd say somewhere between $20 and $50 a year if you did a tanks worth of highway use every week. However, a new pair of cheap tires on a Tempo I have driven a bit, seemed to make mileage dive noticably, 2 mpg ish, which is in the region of 5-10%.

However, this is for vehicles with Cds in the mid .30s, when aero drag is 3x the RR drag... it's possible that differences of 5% would be seen on cars in the mid .20s ... on a .40s truck you'd probably have to go between fat swampers and skinny high psi tires to see mpg change a point.

[1993CivicVX]

Yeah, good point RW. I don't really put much stock in what the guy was saying, but it did take me by surprise. My next tires I think will either be the Vredestein Quatrac II (so I don't die in the winter) or the Sumo 200s (so I do die in the winter) because it's expensive to buy winter tires and change them. I wonder what the Quatrac II LRR score is?

Originally Posted by 4bfox

I'm running Vredestein QuatracII tires on my VX, absolutely love them! Great on snow, ice and water. I keep mine around 52 psi,seem to have much lower RR than my old tires. Cost me $44.28 each for 155/80R13 tires.

How come you got 155/80R13 instead of the VX size of 165/70R13 I believe. Also, can you post the link to where you got them? Thanks! I've been thinking about buying these tires for awhile; so very glad to hear some feedback from someone who has got them!

Okay, answering my own questions: this is where you bought your tires most likely (same place I was looking)

And I see why you got the size you did as it's $10 cheaper. Do you think you could post some pictures of your car from low down on the pavement so I could see how those sized tires look on the car and what they mean for the car's ground clearance or ride height? Thanks! Do they have essentially the same height as the 165/70R13? My current tires make the car ride higher than it's supposed to.

[4bfox]

Glad to help:http://www.tiresunlimited.com/ALL&#3...ed_quatrac.htm

I'll try to get pics tomorrow for you and post them.