Stations that sell E10 (read: Stations to avoid)

[DaX]

Ok, I'm tired of searching through tons of threads to come up with a list of gas stations to avoid. Let's make a list of stations / brands HERE that we know for a FACT sell E10. I'll update this first post with the growing list, so that people don't have to search within the thread.

Gas Stations Selling E10
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Speedway
Sunoco
Citgo (in large cities)
Casey's

[krousdb]

Originally Posted by DaX

Ok, I'm tired of searching through tons of threads to come up with a list of gas stations to avoid. Let's make a list of stations / brands HERE that we know for a FACT sell E10. I'll update this first post with the growing list, so that people don't have to search within the thread.

Gas Stations Selling E10
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Speedway

Gas Stations Selling E10
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Speedway
Sunoco

[SVOboy]

Casey's

Why avoid it though? Again? Just for my knowing?

[diamondlarry]

Speedway
Sunoco
Citgo- according to their website it(E10)is used in certain areas such as larger cities.

[Compaq888]

Doesn't Shell do it too?

[DaX]

Originally Posted by SVOboy

Casey's

Why avoid it though? Again? Just for my knowing?

Well I'm going to avoid it ATM because it yields less MPG.

[molecule]

last spring i broke my all time mileage record in the vx at 58mpg
sunoco gas

maybe it wasn't in the fuel then...???
i was under the impression E10 was good stuff
i dont know enough about it...isn't it from corn...?

[Bunger]

Well... in theory, you should be able to get better mileage from E10... as it should increase the octane of the gas... but i dunno if 10% ethanol is enough (yes, it's from corn).

When E85 becomes mainstream, or I can get a good supply of it from work, I'll be rebuilding my VX motor to take full advantage of the higher octane, so I should be able to actually get BETTER mileage with it.

[n0rt0npr0]

If you got your best mileage in April or May it was definately not the gasoline.

However there is a theory that I've heard at the track that E10 gives better hwy mileage. Very hard to say either way for me without scangauge and the like..
Rumor also says E10 yields less mileage in city driving..

[thisisntjared]

e10 does not give better gas mileage. yes it has a higher octane, but that doesnt matter if its being to used to raise the octane. when burned, it has a significantly smaller number of btus, thus more of it needs to be burned to make the same power as gasoline.

there is A LOT of misinformation out there about ethanol and a lot of it is to just fuel the american economy, nothing else. In the end it pollutes just as much as gasoline. Look up some real research on it, not the advertising for it. The real research shows that it isnt that great of an alternative. sorry i dont have the time right now to go into a more indepth explanation or provide links(i forgot to bookmark them).

[DaX]

Originally Posted by thisisntjared

e10 does not give better gas mileage. yes it has a higher octane, but that doesnt matter if its being to used to raise the octane. when burned, it has a significantly smaller number of btus, thus more of it needs to be burned to make the same power as gasoline.

This is the info I'm basing my argument off of. Less engergy density in ethanol than gasoline. Either way, I think it will be helpful to gather up a list of stations we KNOW FOR A FACT sell E10.

[thisisntjared]

Originally Posted by DaX

Either way, I think it will be helpful to gather up a list of stations we KNOW FOR A FACT sell E10.

agreed. i have been told that getty currently distributes e10 to its stations by a getty station owner. things may have changed, but i doubt it.

[molecule]

i'll definately open my mouth on a couple occasions and see what i can find out about some local distribution...

[n0rt0npr0]

Doesn't Shell do it too?

Where you are at Shell, 76, Mobil and Chevron all have 5.7% Ethanol content. The differences are the additives.
You should try filling up with Spirit. I heard they were good.

[brick]

Ethanol is a mandated oxygenate in Connecticut. I don't think it can be avoided anywhere in this state.

[thisisntjared]

Originally Posted by brick

Ethanol is a mandated oxygenate in Connecticut. I don't think it can be avoided anywhere in this state.

you are right. sorry. the same is true of nyc

[JanGeo]

read the E85 topic I posted earlier tonight !!! E10 is coming May 5 everywhere!

[Bunger]

Originally Posted by Bunger

When E85 becomes mainstream, or I can get a good supply of it from work, I'll be rebuilding my VX motor to take full advantage of the higher octane, so I should be able to actually get BETTER mileage with it.

I should have said, that E85 should be more cost effective, as 5-9% greater power can be had from E85, though it does require about 27-30% more fuel.

Rumor has it that the pricing of E85 will be less then 70% of that of gasoline. This is in part because a large amount of the price of gas is taxes, and a decent part of those taxes doesn't apply to ethanol. The savings in tax alone should be about 50 cents a gallon.

[DaX]

Originally Posted by JanGeo

read the E85 topic I posted earlier tonight !!! E10 is coming May 5 everywhere!

Bah, I did! I guess this is a moot topic now.

[thisisntjared]

Originally Posted by Bunger

Rumor has it that the pricing of E85 will be less then 70% of that of gasoline. This is in part because a large amount of the price of gas is taxes, and a decent part of those taxes doesn't apply to ethanol. The savings in tax alone should be about 50 cents a gallon.

thats because its subsidized!!!! you pay for it in another way!! im pissed about this crap! its ghey and is not that great of an alternative! its not hydrogen yet!

[JanGeo]

Do I need the lubricants and why? The use of E85 stimulates the acid formations of formic acid (HCOOH), acetic acid (C2H4O2) and acetaldehyde (CH3CHO). This products cause corrosion and our newly introduced E85 lubrication conversion kit will stop acid attacks cold in their tracks.
We can also recover 6-17.5% of the fuel economy lost due to the use of E85 and that's got to be one of the biggest wins overall. You can then have your cake and eat it too!!

[thisisntjared]

Originally Posted by JanGeo

We can also recover 6-17.5% of the fuel economy lost due to the use of E85 and that's got to be one of the biggest wins overall. You can then have your cake and eat it too!!

how? well its not like we have a choice....

[JanGeo]

It was a quote from their website - looks like another additive at a high price KA-CHING!

[Bunger]

Originally Posted by JanGeo

Do I need the lubricants and why? The use of E85 stimulates the acid formations of formic acid (HCOOH), acetic acid (C2H4O2) and acetaldehyde (CH3CHO). This products cause corrosion and our newly introduced E85 lubrication conversion kit will stop acid attacks cold in their tracks.

The only real time those acids can be formed is if water is introduced into the fuel system and your engine is still warming. While it is a very real possibility, I think people are going a little overboard worrying about the possible negative side effects. I'm not saying that E85 is the end all, be all of fuels, but being able to have an independant, renewable fuel sourse for our vehicles, is a big step forward.

[DaX]

Originally Posted by Bunger

being able to have an independant, renewable fuel sourse for our vehicles, is a big step forward.

WORD!

[diamondlarry]

The only real time those acids can be formed is if water is introduced into the fuel system and your engine is still warming.

The problem with E85 is that water doesn't have to be "introduced" into the fuel, it can draw water right out of the air. On a very humid day there would be more than enough water in the air to cause a problem.

[JanGeo]

Byproduct of combustion = H2O

Blowby gets that into your crank oil.

Acids forms - you may want to check your oil more often.

[Robotbeat]

All gas in Minnesota is E10. There are over 200 e85 gas stations over here, and e85 costs much less than gasoline (which is actually e10). It turns out that it costs roughly the same for miles per dollar. That's partly unavoidable, since it's pretty much the same market for both gasoline and fuel ethanol. Ethanol will make a much larger difference in fuel prices once it accounts for about 10% of gasoline in the United States. This won't take that long, since the US ethanol production is 4.5 billion gallons annually, with over 2 billion gallons of production capacity under construction (if you look at past figures, these additions take about one year to complete). That is about a 40% annual production growth. So, at that rate, in about 4 or 5 years, there will be enough ethanol production (~15-25 billion gallons/year) to meet 10% of gasoline consumption in the US.

An increase in fuel supplies will lead to a decrease in fuel prices for all motor fuel types.

Ethanol is a different animal than ethyl (i.e. gasoline). It has less theoretical BTUs per gallon, but it has much higher octane (105 octane for e85, therefore higher compression ratios are possible) and potentially lower cost (per mile) than gasoline. Although it is possible that higher compression ratios can yield a more efficient burn with ethanol than is possible with gasoline, the fact is that gasoline has a higher energy density than ethanol, so mileage will necessarily be less for e85 than for e10. But just because ethanol has lower mileage doesn't mean it isn't an important topic for this site. I mean, if energy density (and therefore miles-per-gallon) were the only important factor, then we all would use diesel fuel, wouldn't we?

Even if you, for some weird reason, don't like ethanol, it isn't going away, and it is part of the future of energy in our country. So I think that you should stop being so anti-ethanol and maybe start to help with learning about the intricacies involved in burning ethanol in an automobile.

[thisisntjared]

my 'weird' reason for not liking ethanol is the loss of mpg... it makes sense to me. the gas stations that sell e10 here sell at the same price as normal gas. there is no savings, except for the fact that i know that the government is subsidizing ethanol, meaning its spending everyones money so that the two cost the same. the only 'positive' aspect of ethanol is that it doesnt come from the middle east.

Originally Posted by Robotbeat

I mean, if energy density (and therefore miles-per-gallon) were the only important factor, then we all would use diesel fuel, wouldn't we?

Even if you, for some weird reason, don't like ethanol, it isn't going away, and it is part of the future of energy in our country. So I think that you should stop being so anti-ethanol and maybe start to help with learning about the intricacies involved in burning ethanol in an automobile.

ok i drive a civic my compression ratio is 9.1:1. i am not changing my compression ratio. i am concerned about energy density AND performance. tell my why i should be pro-ethanol again?

[diamondlarry]

Originally Posted by thisisntjared

my 'weird' reason for not liking ethanol is the loss of mpg... it makes sense to me. the gas stations that sell e10 here sell at the same price as normal gas. there is no savings, except for the fact that i know that the government is subsidizing ethanol, meaning its spending everyones money so that the two cost the same. the only 'positive' aspect of ethanol is that it doesnt come from the middle east.

ok i drive a civic my compression ratio is 9.1:1. i am not changing my compression ratio. i am concerned about energy density AND performance. tell my why i should be pro-ethanol again?

I think I have to agree with you thisisntjared. My weird idea would be that I don't like the idea of paying more and getting less. What makes it even more iritating is that the people telling us that alcohol is so good fail to mention this. I think if they would come right out and admit it publicly I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it.