Want to hear from anyone who's tried water4gas

[Brian D.]

I'm sure somebody here has been to one of these sites like water4gas.com or others that suggest using water or hydrogen as a supplement (of sorts). Can I please hear from someone who has looked into this? Is this a load of crap, or can such huge mileage increased be had?? Thanks.

[waddie]

So let me get this straight. It's $200 for a Mason jar with a magical plastic stick in the middle soaking in water and it's going to boost MPG by 200%? Sounds like a load of crap to me!

[BEEF]

it's a great deal, makes loads of money (for the person selling it)

*edit* I have not seen anyone on this site actually boast about gains "that they can back up" (that is the important part) using the hho or brown gas or whatever they call it.

*edited again* another thing to ponder is: on a web site like this that is devoted to better MPG where we have people making major alterations to their cars including but not limited to fender skirts, fuel injector kill switches, boat tails, transmission swaps, and motor swaps, I am suprised that something this cheap and this effective has slipped under the radar of everyone here. the answer is that it hasn't. if it were that easy to double your MPG, then everyone on here would have one (or maybe two)

[JoeBob]

Of course, as I read these posts, I see two (count 'em!) ads for same. "Run Your Car On Water Now" and "Water As Fuel". No wonder people keep asking about it...

Note...made my own water injector about 25 years ago and tried it out on my Nash Rambler. No harm, but no gain either. Car still pinged when climbing hills, but it looked cool watching it pull bubbles through the water into the vacuum line...kinda like having a bong under the hood...

[R.I.D.E.]

LMAO JOE, did the headlights get glazed.

regards
gary

[bockwho]

Ive really looked into this.

two options

hho booster

and pure hho.

both are electical current over stainless plates with water and bakeingsoda to keep the corrosion down. one is on a grand scale the other is simply a mason jar or water filiter housing.


I understand the booster and think it might work

running on water seems like a load of ** I have the pdf book send me a pm.

its a lot of work a lot of heavy electrical.

[JanGeo]

I used to use water injection via vacuum on my 65 Rambler American Flat Head 6 because I would get carbon deposits on the squish area of the head which caused piston slap. I had one of the faster Flat Heads around having it rebuilt and the block and head shaved a bit plus I polished the heads resulting in some pretty high compression. As far as mileage I think I was in the high 20's low 30's - will have to look at my old gas logs. I remember a trip to Norfolk VA on a single tank of gas 16 gallons and that is over 600 miles stopped late at night for more gas before I got there because I didn't want to run out but it wasn't empty yet.

[gasjar]

I agree with Acetone Marty, HHO works, but you have to fool the ECU into not running rich because it senses too much O2 in the exhaust. Hydrogen and Oxygen will reduce the amount of carbon AND unburned fuel leaving more O2 in the exhaust. Therefore, figuring out a way to keep the ECU from going into loop mode and running rich is the KEY to HHO supplementation. Some people use spark plug non-foulers to remove the O2 sensor from the stream, giving reduced amounts of O2 reported to the computer, but these shouldn't be used UNLESS you are supplementing your fuel mixture with the HHO gas, otherwise you will run your engine too lean and burn it up. This is not a problem with the introduction of HHO or a vaporizer as the engine tends to run cooler. There are other alternatives, such as a MAP sensor enhancer and the EFIE unit to deal with this problem. The $97 for the info is worth every penny because you get a VAST amount of resources and a wonderful education in alternative fuel technology.
The water4gas system is well thought out and presented in a way that the layman can understand. Go to:
http://www.gasjar.com
We need to have a network of people sharing information NOW in order to save us from economic chaos. Americans have always been able to produce our way out of tight situations, why is the gas crisis any different?

[JoeBob]

What a nifty little engine that was! Carb bolted right to the head, exhaust manifold looked like a piece of EMT with holes cut in it!

Mine got around 19 mpg around town and mid 20s on the road, but it had an automatic...would have done better with a manual I am sure...

Originally Posted by JanGeo

I used to use water injection via vacuum on my 65 Rambler American Flat Head 6 because I would get carbon deposits on the squish area of the head which caused piston slap. I had one of the faster Flat Heads around having it rebuilt and the block and head shaved a bit plus I polished the heads resulting in some pretty high compression. As far as mileage I think I was in the high 20's low 30's - will have to look at my old gas logs. I remember a trip to Norfolk VA on a single tank of gas 16 gallons and that is over 600 miles stopped late at night for more gas before I got there because I didn't want to run out but it wasn't empty yet.

[Powerstroke IN]

I personally don't think HHO works. The last time I was in chemistry class (about 4 years ago), our teacher showed us electrolysis, or the act of separating water into it's elements with electricity. As soon as the electric current was removed, the molecules recombined. I can;t really see the HHO staying HHO for too long after it's removed from the "magic jar." I think the majority of gains seen is because of the water making the compression in the sylinder go up. Water just doesn;t compress like air does. It's what happens in a deisel with a water/methanol injection kit. The water makes a higher compression which increases fuel combustion, and the methanol introduces a faster burning fuel which helps the diesel burn more completely. The water also cools the combustion which makes EGT's lower. Sounds a lot like "HHO" injection. Increased FE (caused by higher compression), pinging as some of you have noticed (caused by higher compression), lower egt's (caused by water entering the cylinder). Someone with "HHO" should try a higher octane fuel and see if the pinging stops. That would suggest that it is, in fact, increasing compression such as forced induction or a stroker kit. I'm no scientist, but that's what I'm getting from the back and forth...

[maxc]

Some people think the air fuel mix vaporizes as it is being compressed. That's only partly true. I'd say only 20% vaporizes. Then the spark fires, compressional shock waves try to condense the mixture before the flame front hits the rest of the mixture. The mixture at the bottom center of the cylinder will condense the worse.

[friz]

This is what I can't figure out. You are producing a reaction with a net loss lower then the net gain in the oxidation reaction to recombine the two molecules. If this was true you should be able to remove the gasoline from the equation and achieve a true perpetually self fueled machine. Buuuhhhhhh,haaaaaa,,ha,ha, aaaaa. Beam me up Scotty, I think i've found some dilitium crystals. Come on, these wackos would be up for the Nobel prize if this worked.

[maxc]

http://www.mpgresearch.com/forum/vie...t=2332&p=17844

[friz]

The only thing I saw conclusive in that article was this quote

"Update: Mention I sent you and you purchase a system, I get a 10% Referral Fee, if you use my name Robert L Pritchett. I also have the "H2O Hybrid Pro" signage on the Van now. I see I'm listed as a Dealer for the Tri-Cities, WA on Gary's website."

Getting a diesel van up to 19 MPG is not that impressive.

[R.I.D.E.]

I posted this on another thread.

All blarney aside, just dyno a car with two separate sources of hydrogen and oxygen at the ratio of the browns gas, and the volume they claim the generator will produce.

If you get more power than you loose in generation you have a gain and a potential winner.

It's a simple test, dyno without, dyno with, measure the gain.
Load the alternator with the required power to generate your HHO and measure the loss.

The difference is your gain or loss overall.

Done by an independent research lab that has no financial interest, say the SAE, or ASME.

Why hasn't this been done? If it has I like to see the results.

regards
gary

[bowtieguy]

sorry, can't figure out how to make a direct link. but, anyway, if you go to this link, then click onto "water for fuel??" link, it shows an interesting video.

www.magicmechanic.com

don't know how much "water" this video holds tho.

[quadancer@bellsouth.net]

You don't study much do you?

[fumesucker]

Originally Posted by acetone marty

Seems fairly simple, who cares how much the alternator uses or who cares about putting it on the dyno, does it work or not when i drive my car and am i saving fuel at the pump.

Kids, up until a certain point, will drive you bananas asking "why" things are the way they are.

At some point, most kids stop asking "why", but there are some of us that never stop.

If running your car on water works (and I'm a long way from believing that it does), I want to know why it does. It's like an itch that I just have to scratch.

If this works, then it does so for a reason.. None of the reasons I have seen put forth so far make any sense to me and the knowledge I have spent more than 40 years acquiring as to what makes internal (and external) combustion engines do what they do.

I have a reasonably open mind, but not so open that my brains fall out when I'm not paying attention.

As Carl Sagan once said "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".. Well, running a car on water is an extraordinary claim and I have yet to see anything resembling extraordinary evidence.

[Rower4VT]

It's not true. It's never been true. It's a scam which preys on everyone that is "afraid" of high gas prices and does not have a technical enough background to realize this is a scam. I do have an engineering background, and I was especially good at chemistry and physics. The chemistry and physics do NOT add up. Period. I posted on another forum with the actual "numbers" of why it does NOT work. I'll try and dig it up.

[Hateful]

I think everyone's mileage would go up if they knew there was a large box full of chemicals and live electrical wires in their car that could spill over; as in slow acceleration and carefully gliding to the light and not stomping the brakes.

[ZugyNA]

LINKS:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Report:Robert_Pritchett's_Mileage_Results_from_Hyd roxy_Boost_Addition

http://hstrial-ghalljr.homestead.com/index.html

http://hstrial-ghalljr.homestead.com/page05.html

[Rower4VT]

"Leading the perpetually ignorant and uninformed into the light of scientific knowledge. Did I really say that?" - Zugy

..here is the "scientific knowledge" Zugy: (my post on a similar thread)
http://www.gassavers.org/showpost.php?p=102208&postcount=9

In terms of Robert L Pritchett (the "proof" you provided above) his claims of mileage aren't far off...whether you have an HHO or not. A buddy of mine used to have a diesel van similar to his...no ladder rack. He could get close to 20mpg just by driving carefully. PLUS, there is no way that the 10oz of water that Robert consumed could have increased the mileage the way he says it did. READ MY LINK ABOVE for the PROOF. Robert simply went from driving "normally" to removing the ladder rack and driving for FE.

Go ahead. I dare you to do some research yourself and find the "scientific knowledge" to prove the viability of this "scam". Once again, I am only trying to save everyone from wasting your hard earned dollars.

[Rower4VT]

That's great. It really is. But you are the anomaly. Given the 50% plus gain you proved with the truck, I'm sure you immediately installed in on your other car(s). How did those vehicles respond. With a 50% incease, that's a potential $1000+ savings a year in gas, so I'm sure you installed it on your other car(s) right away!

Once again, can some please please show me the science behind this! If it works this great then every car maker in the world would install it and our dependence on foreign oil would decrease immensely!! Let's do it! Show me the science. Show me the patent. And I guarantee we could get all the investors in the world! With new CAFE standards being put into place, I'm sure GM and Ford would love to hear about this amazing invention that would allow them to produce all the SUVs and Trucks they want and still meet CAFE standards. Hell, I would buy a truck again if I could get a 50% increase on the EPA rating!! Yippee!

[Mark]

Acetone Marty,

Just how many pages is all this information? Im just considering buying it and printing off on to a hard copy. Truthfully, you are the only one that has me biting, yes your in the hot seat .

It seems to be getting a little bit competative out there. Has anyone run a trace to see if any of these competitors are from the same IP address? Very few of these establish themselves as INC or LLC's which doesnt help lugitimacy either.

The technology is real, but efficient delivery to the system is questionable. There are some ideas thrown around on the water4gas website that just goes against common sense. Example-The author suggests using hydrogen peroxide and tap water in the Charged Water System. Hydrogen peroxide quickly becomes ineffective when exposed to light, thats why it comes in a brown bottle. So why would it be used in a clear glass jar?

[Rower4VT]

How about the fact that none of these companies have even enough knowledge to call the generator what it really is...it doesn't give out HHO it gives out H2 and O2. It should be the 2H2 + O2 generator.

[friz]

There has got to be grant money available to do some serious research on this, if it is for real. Has anyone done any comparisons between this and water injection?

[Mark]

Originally Posted by Rower4VT

That's great. It really is. But you are the anomaly. Given the 50% plus gain you proved with the truck, I'm sure you immediately installed in on your other car(s). How did those vehicles respond. With a 50% incease, that's a potential $1000+ savings a year in gas, so I'm sure you installed it on your other car(s) right away!

Once again, can some please please show me the science behind this! If it works this great then every car maker in the world would install it and our dependence on foreign oil would decrease immensely!! Let's do it! Show me the science. Show me the patent. And I guarantee we could get all the investors in the world! With new CAFE standards being put into place, I'm sure GM and Ford would love to hear about this amazing invention that would allow them to produce all the SUVs and Trucks they want and still meet CAFE standards. Hell, I would buy a truck again if I could get a 50% increase on the EPA rating!! Yippee!

Try this one, Patent #20060075683

Its very long and well over my head,

[ZugyNA]

Originally Posted by friz

There has got to be grant money available to do some serious research on this, if it is for real. Has anyone done any comparisons between this and water injection?

This guy got good gains from injecting windshield washer fluid and none from HHO.

http://flapdoodledinghy.com/HHO_generator.html

[ZugyNA]

Originally Posted by Rower4VT

"Leading the perpetually ignorant and uninformed into the light of scientific knowledge. Did I really say that?" - Zugy

..here is the "scientific knowledge" Zugy: (my post on a similar thread)
http://www.gassavers.org/showpost.php?p=102208&postcount=9

In terms of Robert L Pritchett (the "proof" you provided above) his claims of mileage aren't far off...whether you have an HHO or not. A buddy of mine used to have a diesel van similar to his...no ladder rack. He could get close to 20mpg just by driving carefully. PLUS, there is no way that the 10oz of water that Robert consumed could have increased the mileage the way he says it did. READ MY LINK ABOVE for the PROOF. Robert simply went from driving "normally" to removing the ladder rack and driving for FE.

Go ahead. I dare you to do some research yourself and find the "scientific knowledge" to prove the viability of this "scam". Once again, I am only trying to save everyone from wasting your hard earned dollars.

I tried to decide whether there was anything to the HHO generators by reading a lot of stuff and finally decided to just go ahead and make one and see for myself.

IF I see a decent % jump in mpg over the summer...I'll be making a better design for my other vehicle....plus a fuel heater and some sensor mods.

Way back when...the theologists argued a lot about how many angels would fit on the head of a pin. You shouldn't try to use "calculations" to prove something won't work...you should build it and test it...validly. Are you a "scientist" or a "theologian"?